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Post by Jay on Aug 7, 2019 4:36:39 GMT
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Post by Jay on Aug 7, 2019 4:48:31 GMT
Jake has gotten two different people to give up their idols for him. that is crazy
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Post by benjimcfly on Aug 7, 2019 4:51:31 GMT
shit got nuts. That Jenn/Jake convo was amazing. Jake gave all the tea and Jenn stared him down like
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Post by scott on Aug 7, 2019 14:45:15 GMT
First off, I think we were just getting to see the start of Dukes game take flight, so I am disappointed in the outcome last night. I think he was in a good position (or in hindsight, I guess not), but I believe that Duke would have been a player really capable of taking control and not playing super messy. I think he could’ve set himself to make a run and maybe even win the whole game if last night had gone down the way it was seeming to be headed 20-30 minutes before tribal.
April I just don’t get it. I really viewed her as someone who was going to be playing a really aggressive game. I thought she would become this diabolical villain and be so entertaining to watch. She seemed like she would be a no vote FTC person because she played so hard and had no jury management. I guess I was right about the prior, but my reasoning was completely off. I am not holding my breath, but maybe she can do somethinggggg in her endgame. Switching her vote to Duke last night does not leave me feeling too strongly about it though. Honestly, I am bored.
Ashley Can/will Ashley ever catch a break in these games? She seems to be playing a decently strong game. She is making moves to set herself up to go deep. She is being social and is well liked. She seems to be doing everything that she needs to be doing to have a great game and to have agency in this game, but something always falls through! As a viewer and her #1 supporter it is soooooo frustrating to watch. I cannot imagine living it. I am still praying for a Jenn/Ashley team up. I think this would make for a great duo, and I think Jenn has the experience and now understanding of the social dynamics in this game that these two could basically take over. Here is to hoping!
Brian He has probably surprised me the most in this game. I never really got him in the beginning of the game and I am not sure I do now… But he has gone from one of the worst positions to be in a pretty good spot in the final 7. I really don’t understand the moves that he has been making, but they have really worked out. This cast is not logically, so I am not sure that he would have done so well with a different group, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he read the room and realized that he could get away with it here. That’s probably the truth right???
Jake Jake is like a cartoon character villain that dies/is defeated at the end of every single episode, but when you tune in the following week, he is still around. He is a messy player, but based on his run in season 7 and here, people just love to give him free things. I have never interacted with him one on one, but I don’t see what others are seeing in him. Sure he’s a good looking guy and definitely is charming, but to the level of being gifted TWO hidden immunity idols and being saved multiple times in his previous game? It isn’t a move that I would be making. I think his need to control/micromanage is really catching up to him right now. I predicted his best possible placement is final 5… I can’t say that I have changed my mind on it, but he has certainly gotten out of unthinkable situations in this game already.
Jeff We were alllllll rooting for you!! Jeff is another person who I had high hopes for that has somehow fallen into the background. I believe he still has it in him to come alive and make some endgame moves, but I fear it might be too little too late. I am not sure exactly what happened with the phone calls last night… but he tried to act a little innocent to knowing the rule/it being accident that he was on both calls? I don’t buy it. He mentioned making moves in his confessional, but I don’t think he has a great shot at winning right now.
Jenn The enlightened one (as of last night). I think so much of the end of the season rides on her. I can feeeeel her frustration of wanting to do things in this game but not having the ability to do so. People are so threatened by her that she has been hanging back and trying to make bonds. It has worked to get her here, and I pray that she shows them the mistake they have made in letting her get this far. She is one of if not the most logical player, which is a huge advantage. I am rooting for her success.
Logan I am hoping that this move that Logan tried to make last night is not his undoing. Logan and April both have been sitting back as Jakes dogs, but Logan made a move and that excites me. Unlike April, he isn’t stuck under Jakes thumb anymore and I want to see what he does now that he is much more out on his own. He definitely seems like he will fight for his life in this game and now that he is on the bottom for the first time, I am excited to see him work for it! I want him to pull this off.
Rankings: 1. Ashley (even if she gets voted off, this will still be her spot on my list) 2. Jenn 3. Logan 4. Brian 5. Jake (I had Brian/Jake tied, but the “Are you not entertained” post solidified a differentiation in number rankings.) 6. Jeff (would’ve been so much higher had I done this list yesterday :/ ) 7. April
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Post by ricky on Aug 7, 2019 14:51:04 GMT
First off, I think we were just getting to see the start of Dukes game take flight, so I am disappointed in the outcome last night. I think he was in a good position (or in hindsight, I guess not), but I believe that Duke would have been a player really capable of taking control and not playing super messy. I think he could’ve set himself to make a run and maybe even win the whole game if last night had gone down the way it was seeming to be headed 20-30 minutes before tribal. April I just don’t get it. I really viewed her as someone who was going to be playing a really aggressive game. I thought she would become this diabolical villain and be so entertaining to watch. She seemed like she would be a no vote FTC person because she played so hard and had no jury management. I guess I was right about the prior, but my reasoning was completely off. I am not holding my breath, but maybe she can do somethinggggg in her endgame. Switching her vote to Duke last night does not leave me feeling too strongly about it though. Honestly, I am bored. Ashley Can/will Ashley every catch a break in these games? She seems to be playing a decently strong game. She is making moves to set herself up to go deep. She is being social and is well liked. She seems to be doing everything that she needs to be doing to have a great game and to have agency in this game, but something always falls through! As a viewer and her #1 supporter it is soooooo frustrating to watch. I cannot imagine living it. I am still praying for a Jenn/Ashley team up. I think this would make for a great duo, and I think Jenn has the experience and now understanding of the social dynamics in this game that these two could basically take over. Here is to hoping! Brian He has probably surprised me the most in this game. I never really got him in the beginning of the game and I am not sure I do now… But he has gone from one of the worst positions to be in a pretty good spot in the final 7. I really don’t understand the moves that he has been making, but they have really worked out. This cast is not logically, so I am not sure that he would have done so well with a different group, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he read the room and realized that he could get away with it here. That’s probably the truth right??? Jake Jake is like a cartoon character villain that dies/is defeated at the end of every single episode, but when you tune in the following week, he is still around. He is a messy player, but based on his run in season 7 and here, people just love to give him free things. I have never interacted with him one on one, but I don’t see what others are seeing in him. Sure he’s a good looking guy and definitely is charming, but to the level of being gifted TWO hidden immunity idols and being saved multiple times in his previous game? It isn’t a move that I would be making. I think his need to control/micromanage is really catching up to him right now. I predicted his best possible placement is final 5… I can’t say that I have changed my mind on it, but he has certainly gotten out of unthinkable situations in this game already. Jeff We were alllllll rooting for you!! Jeff is another person who I had high hopes for that has somehow fallen into the background. I believe he still has it in him to come alive and make some endgame moves, but I fear it might be too little too late. I am not sure exactly what happened with the phone calls last night… but he tried to act a little innocent to knowing the rule/it being accident that he was on both calls? I don’t buy it. He mentioned making moves in his confessional, but I don’t think he has a great shot at winning right now. Jenn The enlightened one (as of last night). I think so much of the end of the season rides on her. I can feeeeel her frustration of wanting to do things in this game but not having the ability to do so. People are so threatened by her that she has been hanging back and trying to make bonds. It has worked to get her here, and I pray that she shows them the mistake they have made in letting her get this far. She is one of if not the most logical player, which is a huge advantage. I am rooting for her success. Logan I am hoping that this move that Logan tried to make last night is not his undoing. Logan and April both have been sitting back as Jakes dogs, but Logan made a move and that excites me. Unlike April, he isn’t stuck under Jakes thumb anymore and I want to see what he does now that he is much more out on his own. He definitely seems like he will fight for his life in this game and now that he is on the bottom for the first time, I am excited to see him work for it! I want him to pull this off. Rankings: 1. Ashley (even if she gets voted off, this will still be her spot on my list) 2. Jenn 3. Logan 4. Brian 5. Jake (I had Brian/Jake tied, but the “Are you not entertained” post solidified a differentiation in number rankings.) 6. Jeff (would’ve been so much higher had I done this list yesterday :/ 0 7. April AGREEED ... IT IS PAINFUL TO WATCH ASHLEY PLAY, SHE IS IS DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT AND STILL CANNOT CATCH A BREAK. ALSO CANNOT WAIT TO SEE WHAT LOGAN DOES NEXT. HE HAD A LOT OF POTENTIAL IN THE FIRST FEW ROUNDS, THEN WAS CHARMED BY JAKE. NOW HE'S ALONE AGAIN, I HOPE HE CAN PULL SOMETHING OFF. I LOVE LOVE LOGAN.
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Post by ricky on Aug 7, 2019 15:27:04 GMT
About last night...Crazy night as everyone knows. The plan all day long was to put 4 votes on Jenn F (Jake, Logan, April and Jeff), 2 votes on Brian (Duke and Ashley) and 3 votes on Duke (Jenn F and both of Brian's votes). This would have resulted in Duke going home because Jenn F was going to play her idol.
However, an hour before tribal, DUKE went to Ashley with the plan of getting rid of Jake. He didn't feel comfortable with Jake after their call to solidify the vote split on Brian and Jenn, for good reason, he was able to read Jake and knew he was in trouble.
Ashley and Duke agreed to go after Jake. They then decided to bring Logan into the plan. Fortunately for them, Logan and April had talked earlier in the day about how they had to get rid of Jake soon cause if not Jake would beat them in the end. So when Ash and Duke approached Logan, he had already decided he needed to get Jake out sooner rather than later and joined their plan. Logan then went to April to tell her of the plan to vote Jake out. April was ALL IN. In fact, she was the one who had brought it up earlier in the day to Logan that they needed to get Jake out at some point. If it had not been for April starting that discussion earlier in the day, Logan would never have agreed to join Ash and Duke in their plan.
At the same time that Logan is talking with April, Duke and Ash go to Jeff to tell him of the Jake vote. Jeff agrees with them, hangs up, and RUNS to tell Jake that he is in trouble. This is where everything goes downhill.
The Duke/Ash/Logan catches wind of Jake knowing the plan and they can't figure out who leaked it, even though it is staring at them in the face. They get on a 5 way call with Jeff and April and this is where Jeff's gaffe happened. While Jeff is on call with Duke, Ashley, April, and Logan, he receives a call from Brian and Jake. He goes to accept it, while at the same time trying to mute his 5 way conversation. Unfortunately, he was not able to mute his 5 way conversation in time and Jake and Brian heard a second or two of the 5 way conversation, and thats why he got the self-vote penalty and has to sit out of the next immunity challenge.
In the end, the end result was the same... Duke went home. The Duke/Ash group did not have the votes to get Jake out without Jeff, and it was clear he was not going to vote Jake out. Without the gaffe, the vote would have been:
4 votes on Jake (Ashley, April, Duke, and Logan), and 5 votes on Duke (Jake, Brian x 2, Jenn, and Jeff). Only difference is that Jenn would have played the idol on herself, instead of Jake. Idol would still have been flushed.
Player I am most disappointed in this round is Jeff, not only because of his gaffe, but because he spilled the Jake plan to Jake. He didn't think things through and ran to save Jake. Jake going home last night would have been great for Jeff's game, now his game is all but over. He would have had Ashley & Duke, the two most loyal people in the game. Now he's stuck with JAKE (ha!) and Brian.
People most benefiting from last night: Jenn F and Brian. The targets on their backs have gotten smaller. Logan is in trouble now, so is April, and Jake still has that target.
Three people with the best chance of winning the game: Ashley, Jenn, and Brian.
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Post by jayitsnickdrinkwater on Aug 7, 2019 16:18:02 GMT
Ashley, Jenn, and Brian final 3 would be the best thing that’s happened to thee series. I’ve enjoyed every single one of their storylines and all have been challenged and succeeded in different ways.
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Post by benjimcfly on Aug 7, 2019 18:32:20 GMT
I have so many thoughts on this round. First, since everyone has talked about what lead up to the vote and how things look after the vote, I'll focus on the conversations that occurred AFTER the vote.
Jake's conversations
Jake will be my first because he is the most convincing player of this season and his fallout/cover up is most important (sorry, not sorry to everyone else in the game).
Jake/April
Jake dominated this conversation. April confirmed with Jake that her and Logan were a ride or die. Jake then would talk over her and shit on Logan, while also empowering her move and decision. It was kind of sickening how much Jake was dragging Logan, when he didn't know their relationship. April had just as much a hand in this mess as Logan, but Logan stuck with it (whether it was a bad move for him or not is moot at this point). Jake digs his claws into April and I think she liked it because she didn't have Logan. I honestly don't think it will last, but it will last long enough.
Jake/Jeff
Jeff committed to working with Jake to the end when he told Jake about being in danger. Unfortunately, this only benefits Jake and is extremely detrimental to Jeff's game. Jake basically thanked him and told him how unfair the punishments were. Once again, planting seeds for an ally he does not care about.
Jake/Logan
This conversation was tough to watch. Logan was right in his ire in regard to Jake pushing him around, but Jake is a better talker. He looked good in the conversation and had all the chips in his corner, as he stayed and Duke left. I wish Logan would have taken the angle of "It's a game and you're a threat". Instead, he worked on justifying a good argument to prove to Jake that he's shitty. We all know Jake is shitty, it doesn't need to be broken down in a power point.
Jake/Jenn
These two talked for a collective of over three hours last night. This was my favorite conversation of the evening. Jake bent over backwards and told Jenn everything. He spilled that Logan was an operative for him on the other side. He spilled that he told everyone about the idol. He spilled that he was working with everyone. Jenn was the only person all night to have an upper hand on Jake. She invested a lot into him and he broke all of her promises, whereas she was loyal to him and only him. He tried to insist that he was waiting for the right time to work with her and protected her, when the truth is that he was targeting her throughout the game. Luckily, Jenn is smart and read through this entire conversation. Jake really went off the rails around 1:30am EST, where he started to shit on other people's games and production for how the Jeff situation was handled. He showed a side of him that Jenn hadn't seen and it was awkward for a while. If anything, I think he might have planted a seed with Jenn that, even if he is all Jenn has, he isn't the person she should be working with. He even told her to her face "Your story is too good and if you're in the finale, you will win". Not sure what his thinking process was here. Either way, I think this might be enough to convince Jenn to look for help elsewhere.
Other convos of interest last night:
Logan/April
This is the only other conversation that mattered last night. Logan laid into April, grilling and quizzing why she jumped ship. It makes sense, as April was 100% on board to get rid of Jake, but then did Jake's bidding and voted with him. April's game is compromised at this point. Jake doesn't care for her. Logan doesn't care for her. None of the other players know or trust her. So April is going to the FTC with zero votes.
Where do we go from here?
The current lines in the sand appear to be: Jake, Jeff, Brian, April, Jenn Ashley, Logan
Jake/Jeff/Brian will not break up. Jeff and Brian have chosen to work with Jake and have no way out. They have the DC gay alliance and Jake is doing everything to keep that train rolling.
April and Jenn are the wildcards. As of today: April and Jenn work with Jake because he's acting like he has power over them. Jenn won't put herself on the wrong side of the numbers without April. April will not do anything, so it's up to Jenn to make a move that will help her get to the end with Ashley/Logan. I honestly don't see it and I see her rolling the dice.
Ashley is the next to go. Only immunity saves her. Jake has the pitchforks ready and is already spreading her name to everyone.
Once again, it's Jake's game to lose and he has cut out most of the people who would do anything about him getting to the finale.
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